Religion/Creationism

[Hocky]

That same person cannot put that faith into the Bible which has stood the tests over 1000's of years. Why can you believe an unproven theory, but not believe in Christ which is documented so well in history and the present?

THe bible has most certainly not stood the test of 1000s of years any more than any other piece of literary fiction from those periods.

If someone today start rewriting the bible because he was being spoken to by god, he would be called crazy... would you agree? Yet some how a bunch of crazy fucks and/or people that just wanted to promote ethics that were "spoken to by god" are not crazy? How does that work, exactly?

Mythology.

[Owens Racing]

/\ Damn your logic, I substitute your reality with.........

[Indy CTS-V]

We are on a mission from God. Nuff said.

[Performance Driven]

Actually the Bible has stood the test of times as far more than fiction. The bible is historically correct and supported by many other text outside the bible. There regularly new things coming to light that support the bible.

Did someone find Noah's Arc. I have to say that I have my doubts that someone has found it or will ever find it. I do not believe that the wood is still around anylonger. The environment would not be ideal for wood to survive 1000's of years. It is not like the Egyption ships found in the sand after 1000's of years. That was ideal condisions to preserve wood that long.

However there have been numberous archaeological discoveries that fully support the Bible.

[Hocky]

Actually the Bible has stood the test of times as far more than fiction. The bible is historically correct and supported by many other text outside the bible. There regularly new things coming to light that support the bible.

You mean to tell me that these authors made references to the existing world around them as they wrote? No way, that could never happen. lol.

[bstiles88]

Owens said it perfectly, there will never be absolute proof because then people would seek/serve God out of obligation or fear. Who wants their wife to do everything they say because she's afraid of you? Wouldn't you rather know that she's doing it out of love? (here comes the perverted jokes)


It comes down to having an open mind and trying it out. Throw yourself in and test God. If you really want to find God and know the truth you will. But if you don't give it a chance, like I did for a long time, then you'll continue to think that you're smart and christians are dumb/weak for needing a crutch such as God.

Granted the religion debate is interesting, so much of the time it comes down to presentation.


And by the way, the Bible has stood the test of time. People have been trying to disprove it's authenticity for the last 2000 years and haven't been able to.

[Hocky]

And by the way, the Bible has stood the test of time. People have been trying to disprove it's authenticity for the last 2000 years and haven't been able to.

No one can disprove Harry Potter, either. Funny how that works.

[bstiles88]

No one can disprove Harry Potter, either. Funny how that works.

And why would they want to? The author herself has said that it's nothing but fiction. That's a silly argument hocky, comon' man you're smarter than that


Just think of how rich and famous you would be if you were the person to disprove the Bible, to put an end to christianity. Your name would go down in history forever, but that hasn't happened, nor will it happen.

[Indy CTS-V]

All I have to say is....God Bless all of you - including believers and nonbelievers alike.

We are on a mission from God. Exactly what that is....I still have yet to figure out though, for me personally anyway.

[Hocky]

It's not silly, it is the same thing. All of the bible stories were either written as fiction or by some crazy mother fuckers. Just somewhere along the road, the book got moved from the fiction shelf to the 'it is what you want it to be' shelf.

And it will happen, it is just a matter of how / when. It might not be "disproved," as that is basically impossible, but the population will move on. As previously noted, how many religions are now called mythology?

[bstiles88]

the population will move on. As previously noted, how many religions are now called mythology?

This is true and like you said is already happening. In the eyes of an unbeliever, it's basic science and the evolution of man. But in the eyes of a believer it's bible prophecy that is coming to pass. Guess it depends on your perspective of things.

[Indy CTS-V]

I'm considering suicide. I'll send you all a post from beyond and let you know how it works out! Life is boring...figured I might try something different.

[BABY J]

[bstiles88]

I've come to the realization lately that we (myself included) assume that there are absolutes in the world we live in. Things such as gravity, time, and every other scientific "law". In actuality we may know 1% of all there is to know about the universe, but probably less than that.

When you sit down and truly think about life, and even more amazing - self consciousness, your outlook on life becomes a little hazy. We very well could be nothing more than a scientific experiment of a higher and more advanced being. We've become so close-minded about the idea that science is absolute fact, and there's nothing beyond what we see and know, because our brains can't quite comprehend the idea of being timeless, of being in all places at once, but just because we can't wrap our carnal minds around it, doesn't mean that it can't be true.

Imagine putting a very small child, say three years old, in a fully sealed, completely black room. Having a double sided fridge where the "experimenters" can put food in from the other side when the child is asleep. This person will become accustomed to this, and eventually come to it's own conclusions about the universe, based on what it "knows" to be true, when in actually there's so much more out there.

We could be in the same boat, except the universe is our full-sealed room, but we can't comprehend that, unfortunately we've slowly but surely become close-minded and have accepted what we "know" to be true, as absolute fact. It's such an arrogant and costly mistake the majority of the science community makes.

The movie "The Matrix" is based on a pretty good hypothesis founded in the 40s, it's called "the holographic principle". In a nutshell we've found that all our sensory inputs, sight, smell, touch and so on, are actually created in our brain. Our brain interprets what we experience and puts it into pictures and feelings, the truth is it's absolutely possible that the world around us is nothing more than a mere hologram. Many scientists have grasped onto this idea and believe it, but the materialists won't even accept the POSSIBILITY that it could be true.

We've grown so big-headed and think we know so much, but we haven't even begun to understand life, let alone consciousness and self-realization.

[Indy CTS-V]

We've grown so big-headed and think we know so much, but we haven't even begun to understand life, let alone consciousness and self-realization.

YouTube- George Carlin - Religion is bullshit.


YouTube- George Carlin on Global Warming

[JustinFRC]

I've come to the realization lately that we (myself included) assume that there are absolutes in the world we live in. Things such as gravity, time, and every other scientific "law". In actuality we may know 1% of all there is to know about the universe, but probably less than that.

When you sit down and truly think about life, and even more amazing - self consciousness, your outlook on life becomes a little hazy. We very well could be nothing more than a scientific experiment of a higher and more advanced being. We've become so close-minded about the idea that science is absolute fact, and there's nothing beyond what we see and know, because our brains can't quite comprehend the idea of being timeless, of being in all places at once, but just because we can't wrap our carnal minds around it, doesn't mean that it can't be true.

Imagine putting a very small child, say three years old, in a fully sealed, completely black room. Having a double sided fridge where the "experimenters" can put food in from the other side when the child is asleep. This person will become accustomed to this, and eventually come to it's own conclusions about the universe, based on what it "knows" to be true, when in actually there's so much more out there.

We could be in the same boat, except the universe is our full-sealed room, but we can't comprehend that, unfortunately we've slowly but surely become close-minded and have accepted what we "know" to be true, as absolute fact. It's such an arrogant and costly mistake the majority of the science community makes.

The movie "The Matrix" is based on a pretty good hypothesis founded in the 40s, it's called "the holographic principle". In a nutshell we've found that all our sensory inputs, sight, smell, touch and so on, are actually created in our brain. Our brain interprets what we experience and puts it into pictures and feelings, the truth is it's absolutely possible that the world around us is nothing more than a mere hologram. Many scientists have grasped onto this idea and believe it, but the materialists won't even accept the POSSIBILITY that it could be true.

We've grown so big-headed and think we know so much, but we haven't even begun to understand life, let alone consciousness and self-realization.

So you're agnostic now?

[bstiles88]

So you're agnostic now?

No way, I believe in Christianity 100%, however I think it's been messed up and misconstrued by many. I guess you could say my views on Christianity aren't the "common" views, but I still believe it 100%, as I've yet to find fault in it's teachings, only it's interpretations that many present.



And Mike I can't watch those here at work, what's the basic gist?

[Indy CTS-V]

And Mike I can't watch those here at work, what's the basic gist?

Its just Geoge Carlin...you know him and his humor.

[Indy CTS-V]

Ok...in the interest of having a well rounded arguement from both sides....here is the monologue that I may have mentioned earlier in this thread. It happens to be on right now on Showtime....

here is the trailer...

Its called "Letting Go of God" by Julia Sweeney as she chronicals here exploration into her belief in god... Its all there on YouTube in parts if you are interested. She makes some very interesting views and analogies....

The trailer below...

[EGJason]

After sitting through the audio book of "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins, I was more embarrassed by my prior faith than anything. I am now embarrassed for others that believe. I really do see it at a sign of mental weakness, and admittedly, I was myself.

The only reason people are religious is because their parents were. There are some rares cases in which people are cohersed or influenced enough to become born-again, but they strike me as even weaker.

Religion is a mental disease. Unfortunately it strikes children before they have any say in it. Which is what boiled my blood the most out of realization. I'm still not, and probably never will be, over it. Probably because there will never be closure as my parents still believe themselves. I dont blame them though, I just see it as a revelation they never had, or never sticked with, or never had the influence to stick with it enough.

The indoctrination stops with me though.